Intense FACEBOOK Exchange With A Trump Supporter; Shades of Jim Jones With Trump Taking Hydroxychloroquine

On April 14, the blog article entitled “Sanders Endorses Biden; Trump’s Popularity Spike Short Lived; Biden Beats Trump In National Polls; The Trump Version Of “Midas Touch” Turns Things To Crap” was published. The blog article contained a summary of a number of polls in the Presidential race and included a Commentary and Analysis section. The link to the article is here:

According to the independent blog manager’s tabulator, the blog article received a major spike in “reads and shares” on the internet. The blog is separate from the FACBOOK page where the blog articles are also posted, but where there is no tabulation of views and shares.

On the FACEBOOK page, there was a very lively and lengthy exchange with a Trump supporter that gives a real insight and a far better understanding of how Trump supporters think, view and support the President. I have known the Trump supporter for decades, he is highly intelligent, educated and has worked in the private industry as well as the federal government. Although the exchange is now in the public domain, the Trump Supporters name was withheld in this article to respect his privacy and to allow readers to make their own judgment.

Below is the exchange:


TRUMP SUPPORTER: “You’re delusional. Biden is in critical condition among blue collar whites. Michigan. Minnesota. Wisconsin. His lead is just as strong as Hillary’s was…and just as false. Got a lot of work to do … .”

DINELLI RESPONSE: “Sweeping, dismissive remarks from a delusional cult member without backing up the remarks. Not going to take the bait … and not going to engage. The blog says it all when I said “Trump’s staunches supporters will no doubt say all the polls were wrong last time, they are wrong now, and that Trump will win again. What the Trump supporters seem to ignore is that Trump must now run on his record of broken promises, irrational behavior and bullying voters will not cut it. Burning down the country is no way to govern.”

TRUMP SUPPORTER: … “that’s a dilemma for all politicians, as you know. All you have is your record and your credibility at the end of the day. Nobody is squeaky clean, least of all our most senior pols like Trump and Biden who spent long lives acquiring power. Every poll by definition leaves a trail of broken promises, unfulfilled dreams, aspirational objectives foregone. So, we are left with two flawed human beings and their personal perspectives on governance. Biden is a crystal-clear embodiment of the last 45 years of government overreach and nanny state largess. Trump is a tornado of laissez faire business practices and populist American exceptionalism. I’ll take Trump, warts and all.”

I feel sorry for Joe. Barack was right; he didn’t have to do this and I’m concerned about his ability and personal dignity at the end of his days. It’s a crazy time. I would that it were not. Churchill rose in chaos and fell in peace. I want a strongly intuitive fighter, a real human being with solid intuition at the helm. I don’t really understand the antipathy to Donald Trump but I was watching him interact with COVID victims yesterday and I do understand his appeal. He has negotiated 70 years of American cultural revolution from WW2 to today. His ideas have merit. His administration is in line with my own policy views about blunting egregious regulations, appointing conservative judges, and positioning America first. Our foreign policy has ever been in three parts; don’t push us around, don’t push our friends around, and bring our soldiers home. Those three ideas are mutually exclusive in practice.

Joe’s lack of real-world experience has crippled him in the most fundamental ways. He doesn’t understand that “getting along” is not always the best course. Sometimes, you have to rock the boat. Sometimes, you have to upend the status quo if for no other reason than to balance competing interests in our messy democratic republic. It was way past time for political upheaval and a shock to the status quo. I’m grateful that Trump has the audacity, the nerve, and the knowledge to be the cheerleader and spear catcher for an important course correction in our politics and culture. He’s not evil. Neither is Joe. We expect a lot from our politicians and they pay a high price.

I want Trump to move forward with that most important American tradition of social liberalism tempered by economic conservatism that has served us so well for 230 years. I want him to confront, not placate, our enemies. We are not friends with China and Iran. I support his unequivocal support of Israel. I am in awe of his mastery of the interface between government and business.

I spent a career in two worlds; public service and private industry. I was often dismayed by the ignorance and arrogance of our political class of social engineers and liberally educated theorists who were in charge yet so utterly divorced from everyday reality. Trump is the embodiment of that hilarious old American Dream that holds that government would be infinitely more effective and responsive if we just chose random people with no prior experience to govern.

As I was watching Trump yesterday, he defied every critic of his style and substance. He cares deeply about all of us (well, not Schitt). He takes personal responsibility for intuitive choices. He understands people. He is an intuitive force of nature. His political instincts and practical streak make him a wonderfully adaptable conductor of our government symphony. He is responsive, grounded in America, and pro-business while taking care of the least of us. His roll back of environmental regulations is way overdue. Industry, not environmentalists, have solved our toughest pollution problems. They need a regulatory environment where they can innovate and experiment.

I invite you to back Trump for 2020. We need yin and yang in politics and in life. We’ve had far too much of one, and way too little of the other. Let’s continue to balance the scales with practical leadership before we turn the reins back over to the social engineers.

DINELLI RESPONSE: Thank you very much for the Trump narrative, but the person you talk about is not sitting in the White House. What you wrote is shocking in that you apparently believe it but it is an exceptional work of fiction worthy of an award. Trump is a cancer on the body politic that must be removed before it’s too late. He is not interested in governing but in burning the country down by appealing to the darkest interests of those who support him and no one else. He has repeatedly proven to be an arrogant, inept, narcissistic, immoral racist who has betrayed his own country and our allies all for the sake of the money god he worships and the power he now enjoys. Enjoy your retirement, your government pension, your social security and Medicare, all programs Trump wants to get rid of to make sure we finance tax cuts for the 1%. … “

TRUMP SUPPORTER: No. My narrative is real. The 150,000,000 people who agree with me are not wrong. It’s our perspective. You don’t have an alternate set of facts. You just choose to interpret them differently.

DINELLI RESPONSE: You seem to forget Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million to Clinton and won the presidency in the electoral college. In other words, to use your own argument, there are at least 153,000,000 people who believe you are wrong, and after what he has done to the country an people see what he is, there are many more who will be voting him out of office come Nov. 3.

TRUMP SUPPORTER: It’s an illusion. You’re a Joe Montoya Democrat invested in 60- year old politics! 153 mm is a big number. You’re forgetting the 10mm Bernie Bro’s who are Never Biden.

EDITOR’S NOTE: US Senator Joseph Montoya was an American politician and member of the Democratic Party who served as the lieutenant governor of New Mexico, in the U.S. House of Representatives and as a U.S. Senator from New Mexico who died on June 5, 1978. Senator Montoya was not my generation of politician, but my parent’s generation. President’s Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are my generation of politicians.


TRUMP SUPPORTER: Welllll….I know Rachel Maddow agrees with you 100% and I know her track record, so …..

DINELLI RESPONSE: My track record is and always will be better that Rachel Maddow, and that goes for the same people I support for President, like Obama, and who you support which is your cult leader Trump

TRUMP SUPPORTER: I love it that you love Old-bummer. It takes a Village.

DINELLI RESPONSE: And your world takes a “village idiot” such as President Trump.

TRUMP SUPPORTER: A useful idiot. A spear catcher so others can run the ball into the end zone. It takes an outrageous guy to focus attention away from the important stuff every single day in every single news cycle. I’m sure you can appreciate the breathtaking policy revisions, regulatory changes, Court appointments and wonderful changes occurring in plain sight but unremarked because liberal tears cloud the eye

DINELLI RESPONSE: Thanks for acknowledging that Trump is an idiot, so I think you are making some progress with actually thinking. It is pathetic you think what he is doing is some sort of a game of diversion when it’s all about him and the dollar he worships. Trump is not outrageous as you say, but downright dangerous. … The “breathtaking policy revisions” you admire so much include allowing private industry to ravage this country’s natural resources and destroy its environment. Trump is the same person that said “raking leaves” in the forest would stop all of the wild fires, so it’s doubtful he … [understands] … the forest service. . The court appointments you think are so great, especially Kavanaugh and Gorsich, are throw backs to the 1940’s and ‘50s who want to set aside all the civil rights, voting rights and woman’s rights to choose that were so hard fought for by entire generations. There may be liberal tears that “cloud the eye” as you say, but you my friend, and Trump supporters, are downright blind to believing he is some sort of a messiah.

TRUMP SUPPORTER: I wish you would have had some experience with private industry in the real world. Industry does not destroy the life blood of the natural resources that feed the sawmills and paper machines. My company owned 650,000 of forest land and we managed them for sustainability in perpetuity. Having served only in government and being the recipient of only a liberal arts degree, you just don’t understand and you can’t understand. What Trump is doing will help us move through all of this mess. And, Go!

DINELLI RESPONSE: You always have to go there don’t you … . Please spare me your lectures on private industry. … I have been practicing law for 43 years in the “real world” and was in private practice of law which included business law and bankruptcy law. My private practice of law included at least 16 years with firms and my own firm representing major corporations and insurance companies. My undergraduate degree was in business administration with a major in finance. As a Worker’s Compensation Judge with statewide jurisdiction, I was exposed to many private industries throughout the state of New Mexico, including the oil and gas industry and yes natural resource industries. I have more than some experience in the “real world” as you put it, … . “

EDITORS NOTE: At this point the exchanged ceased.


On May 18, speaking at the White House to reporters, President Trump surprised the media when he said that he started taking hydroxychloroquine, a malaria and lupus medication recently, to help protect him from the corona virus. Trump said:

“I’m taking it for about a week and a half now and I’m still here, I’m still here,” was his surprise announcement. … You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the frontline workers before you catch it, the frontline workers, many, many are taking it. … I happen to be taking it.”

There is no evidence hydroxychloroquine can fight coronavirus, and regulators warn the drug may cause heart problems. Dr Marcos Espinal, the director of the Pan American Health Organization, which is part of the World Health Organization (WHO), has also since stressed that no clinical trials have recommended the use of hydroxychloroquine for corona virus.


Jim Jones was a notorious cult leader. He was an American preacher and faith healer turned cult leader who conspired with his inner circle to direct a mass murder-suicide of his followers in his jungle commune at Jonestown, Guyana. He launched the Peoples Temple in Indiana during the 1950s. As the self-proclaimed messiah of the Peoples Temple religious cult, Jones promised his followers utopia if they followed him.

In 1978, media reports surfaced of human rights abuses in the Peoples Temple in Jonestown. U.S. Representative Leo Ryan led a delegation to the commune to investigate. Ryan and others were murdered by gunfire while boarding a return flight with some former cult members who had wished to leave. Jones then ordered and likely coerced a mass suicide and mass murder of 918 commune members, 304 of them children, almost all by cyanide-poisoned Flavor Aid.


The above exchange gives Democrats and Biden supporters and idea what they are dealing with. According to many polls, and after over 3 years, Trump still maintains support of 94% of the Republican Party and maintains his base support of 43% of the general public. Trump supporters look upon him as the messiah that is indeed cult like. More people will die because of Trumps mishandling of the federal government’s response to the pandemic, but Trump supporters will remain loyal, will never abandon him, and therefor he could win in the electrical college once again, losing the popular vote to Biden.

Trump has already begun a campaign of promoting civil disobedience during the pandemic by tweeting on April 17 “LIBERATE VIRGINIA and and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!”, “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”, “LIBERATE MINNISOTA!” There is nothing that would satisfy Trump supporters more than blow up our democracy and simply watch as Trump lets the country burn to the ground.

As the pandemic crisis continues, and the election approaches, Trump is acting more and more like a cult leader. The odds are high that he will only complicate the crisis, making things much worse and create another crisis within a crisis. Trumps declaration that he is taking hydroxychloroquine was shocking in and of itself, as was he previous comments of ingesting chlorine bleach as a means of killing the corona virus. It would not be at all surprising if Trump calls upon his “cult” followers to follow his lead and act like the followers of Jim Jones and tells them to start taking hydroxychloroquine so he can proclaim he has found the cure and saved their lives and say that those who die from the virus should have listened and followed his lead.

Vice President Mike Pence is no fool and has a lot more sense than people give him credit for. Pence is now social distancing from Trump at events. Pence has also made it clear he has no intent of taking hydroxychloroquine. Rumor has it Pence has already memorized the oath of office to become President so as not to require the Chief Justice to say “repeat after me”.

Needless to say, Trump has one vote for second term and Biden has one vote to become President.

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Pete Dinelli was born and raised in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He is of Italian and Hispanic descent. He is a 1970 graduate of Del Norte High School, a 1974 graduate of Eastern New Mexico University with a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration and a 1977 graduate of St. Mary's School of Law, San Antonio, Texas. Pete has a 40 year history of community involvement and service as an elected and appointed official and as a practicing attorney in Albuquerque. Pete and his wife Betty Case Dinelli have been married since 1984 and they have two adult sons, Mark, who is an attorney and George, who is an Emergency Medical Technician (EMT). Pete has been a licensed New Mexico attorney since 1978. Pete has over 27 years of municipal and state government service. Pete’s service to Albuquerque has been extensive. He has been an elected Albuquerque City Councilor, serving as Vice President. He has served as a Worker’s Compensation Judge with Statewide jurisdiction. Pete has been a prosecutor for 15 years and has served as a Bernalillo County Chief Deputy District Attorney, as an Assistant Attorney General and Assistant District Attorney and as a Deputy City Attorney. For eight years, Pete was employed with the City of Albuquerque both as a Deputy City Attorney and Chief Public Safety Officer overseeing the city departments of police, fire, 911 emergency call center and the emergency operations center. While with the City of Albuquerque Legal Department, Pete served as Director of the Safe City Strike Force and Interim Director of the 911 Emergency Operations Center. Pete’s community involvement includes being a past President of the Albuquerque Kiwanis Club, past President of the Our Lady of Fatima School Board, and Board of Directors of the Albuquerque Museum Foundation.